Discuss: Tesla Reveals Features in This Year's Holiday Update

PrescottAZRichard

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Glad to see the watch app, one of the mac sites I read frequently said it should be out in the next week (Tesla time, so who knows).

I'm a little concerned about the 3rd party apps. Those same mac sites pointed out Tesla has crazy high pricing for those apps to work, seems like Tesla wants them to go away. No doubt the Tesla watch app with replace the functionality in the 3rd party apps, but still. That's kinda shitty.
Love the ability to save sentry mode and videos from the car to your phone. Seems like a no brainer.
The auto shift thing seems like a no brainer as well, but us drivers have to get used to it. I think Tesla and Apple realize that some big leaps are better achieved through steps so we don't get objectionable. This is something they could do on cars with stalks as well.
SiriusXM is a nice option, I don't have any experience with it but why not? Again- I'm sure that what seems like adding a simple content choice to US takes a lot of negotiation to happen. I'd guess the app development isn't as challenging as the negotiating!
Set arrival percentage for battery seems like something that should have been done in 2014, but okay! Same with weather info. Same with cross traffic alerts :)
 

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The thing about auto shifting is that I think Tesla should have introduced this feature a long time ago. I’ve never understood why Tesla operates this way—they tend to take away a feature before they’ve fully developed its replacement. For example, they removed USS long before HFPA was ready. What they should have done is release HFPA, let it improve and gain some recognition, and then remove USS. That way, it wouldn’t have been such a big deal.

The same thing applies to the stalks. Before removing them, Tesla should have introduced something better and more efficient—like auto shift—and then removed the stalks. Things would run much more smoothly for them if they could be patient and prove that their new solution is actually better before taking away the old option and promising something better in the future.

That said, I have to give them credit—99% of the time, they deliver and meet expectations.
 

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Has there been confirmed information on whether HW3 vehicles will receive the holiday update yet? Each major release announcement gets more ambiguous.
 
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The thing about auto shifting is that I think Tesla should have introduced this feature a long time ago. I’ve never understood why Tesla operates this way—they tend to take away a feature before they’ve fully developed its replacement. For example, they removed USS long before HFPA was ready. What they should have done is release HFPA, let it improve and gain some recognition, and then remove USS. That way, it wouldn’t have been such a big deal.

The same thing applies to the stalks. Before removing them, Tesla should have introduced something better and more efficient—like auto shift—and then removed the stalks. Things would run much more smoothly for them if they could be patient and prove that their new solution is actually better before taking away the old option and promising something better in the future.

That said, I have to give them credit—99% of the time, they deliver and meet expectations.
"The new Model 3 can now automatically switch between Drive and Reverse when the vehicle comes to a stop" sounds scary. How? Why? When? I already had a couple of instances where I entered the car, there was nothing in front of me and by pressing the accelerator the car backed instead of going forward... just because it believed I wanted to exit the parking by reversing. Imagine having it all automated now. You stop in the middle of a road, it senses wrongly that you are willing to park, puts reverse and... boom. Or at least you're just wasting time... reversing the reversal.
 

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Control Seats From the Screen​

Why the hell not allowing memories for the passenger, then? And perhaps coupled with face recognition? I just realized that with the Commander it's feasible, so why doesn't Tesla do that natively?
 
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"The new Model 3 can now automatically switch between Drive and Reverse when the vehicle comes to a stop" sounds scary. How? Why? When? I already had a couple of instances where I entered the car, there was nothing in front of me and by pressing the accelerator the car backed instead of going forward... just because it believed I wanted to exit the parking by reversing. Imagine having it all automated now. You stop in the middle of a road, it senses wrongly that you are willing to park, puts reverse and... boom. Or at least you're just wasting time... reversing the reversal.
To enter reverse, you must first apply the brake and then turn the steering wheel. This action confirms your intention to reverse. It’s not a random process. Also, if I recall correctly, the vehicle provides auditory feedback after each step is completed.
 
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To enter reverse, you must first apply the brake and then turn the steering wheel. This action confirms your intention to reverse. It’s not a random process. Also, if I recall correctly, the vehicle provides auditory feedback after each step is completed.
All this while singing a song? Are you serious about turning the steering wheel? :D Nope, there's no auditory feedback, also because on the highland the noise insulation (from windows, not from wheels, ironically) is so strong that you can't even hear the rear gear buzz.

The current way the Highland works is that after you connect the seatbelt*, you apply brakes, it turns D or R based on the last parking, i.e. if there was an obstacle in front or not at the moment of parking, that is the scenario I was describing. How is that connected to the steering wheel? In that specific scenario I didn't touch the steering wheel and it just went backwards, because the car parked in front of me at the moment of parking meanwhile had left.

*and this is already annoying, with every other car these are two simultaneous actions to me, i.e. I engage gears while I'm connecting the seatbelt... at least, they should make it that if the brake is already applied, connecting the seatbelt should be enough, not requiring to lift the foot and apply the brake once again
 

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Here there's no mention whatsoever of steering wheel. And personally I would even find it dangerous... how can gears be connected to the steering wheel?

Auto Shift from Park​

Auto Shift from Park is a BETA feature and is disabled by default. When disabled, use the touchscreen or the overhead console to manually shift. To enable Auto Shift from Park, touch Controls > Dynamics > Auto Shift from Park.
When Auto Shift from Park is enabled, Model 3 is designed to automatically select Drive or Reverse. The touchscreen displays the selected drive mode when the driver's door is closed and seat belt is buckled.
To override the selection, press the brake pedal and use the drive mode strip on touchscreen to shift into your desired drive mode (Drive, Reverse, Park; see Shift Using the Touchscreen).
Confirm the drive mode selection and follow the instructions on the touchscreen before you press the accelerator.
Warning
As always, be aware of your vehicle and surroundings before driving. Never rely on Model 3 to automatically select a suitable drive mode without confirming the selection before you start to drive.
If Auto Shift from Park is unavailable, the touchscreen displays a message.
Model 3 automatically selects a drive mode when:
  • Auto Shift from Park is enabled.
  • Model 3 is in Park.
  • The driver's seat belt is fastened.
  • The brake pedal is pressed.
  • All doors and trunks are closed.
  • The drive mode selector on the overhead console is not activated (see Shift Using the Overhead Console).
Note
Model 3 does not automatically select drive modes in Valet Mode.


 

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All this while singing a song? Are you serious about turning the steering wheel? :D Nope, there's no auditory feedback, also because on the highland the noise insulation (from windows, not from wheels, ironically) is so strong that you can't even hear the rear gear buzz.

The current way the Highland works is that after you connect the seatbelt*, you apply brakes, it turns D or R based on the last parking, i.e. if there was an obstacle in front or not at the moment of parking, that is the scenario I was describing. How is that connected to the steering wheel? In that specific scenario I didn't touch the steering wheel and it just went backwards, because the car parked in front of me at the moment of parking meanwhile had left.

*and this is already annoying, with every other car these are two simultaneous actions to me, i.e. I engage gears while I'm connecting the seatbelt... at least, they should make it that if the brake is already applied, connecting the seatbelt should be enough, not requiring to lift the foot and apply the brake once again
I am aware on how auto shift works, and yes, for the most part you can’t choose in that scenario which way it’s gonna go because the car is relying on its own sensors to know which way to choose. With the shifting into reverse automatically it’s not how you would select your drive or reverse in a parking space this time it basically just streamline the process of shifting into reverse for example, if you saw a parking spot you liked, and you were going back into it obviously you have to turn the steering wheel to back into it and then shifted into reverse. In this case you would just hit the break as well and it would shift by itself. In this way, it’s more of your choice instead of you relying fully on what the car chooses

That said, while the auto shift streamlines the process by removing the need to manually select reverse, I think it still leaves room for improvement in terms of balancing automation with driver control. It’s definitely useful for quick transitions, like backing into a space, but I can see how relying on sensors alone could be frustrating if the car doesn’t predict your intentions correctly. Ideally, Tesla could incorporate a way to override the system easily when needed, giving you the best of both worlds.
 
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I am aware on how auto shift works, and yes, for the most part you can’t choose in that scenario which way it’s gonna go because the car is relying on its own sensors to know which way to choose. With the shifting into reverse automatically it’s not how you would select your drive or reverse in a parking space this time it basically just streamline the process of shifting into reverse for example, if you saw a parking spot you liked, and you were going back into it obviously you have to turn the steering wheel to back into it and then shifted into reverse. In this case you would just hit the break as well and it would shift by itself. In this way, it’s more of your choice instead of you relying fully on what the car chooses

That said, while the auto shift streamlines the process by removing the need to manually select reverse, I think it still leaves room for improvement in terms of balancing automation with driver control. It’s definitely useful for quick transitions, like backing into a space, but I can see how relying on sensors alone could be frustrating if the car doesn’t predict your intentions correctly. Ideally, Tesla could incorporate a way to override the system easily when needed, giving you the best of both worlds.
I'm still confused. From where do you get that steering drives the gear selection? I have no experience about that. Or is it a speculation about the upcoming version?
 

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I'm still confused. From where do you get that steering drives the gear selection? I have no experience about that. Or is it a speculation about the upcoming version?
It was a feature that was introduced into the Model S and Model X earlier this year. I remember it well because it worked pretty well. It’s a two-step process like if you were backing out of a space from reverse to shift out of reverse, you would make the steering wheel straight and then hit the brake. I think we had a slight miscommunication because I was talking about the version of auto shift I remember, which had this two-step process as well as shifting from park to reverse, and I think you were referring to just regular auto shift where shifts into drive or reverse immediately when you get in the car by hitting the brake.
 

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It was a feature that was introduced into the Model S and Model X earlier this year. I remember it well because it worked pretty well. It’s a two-step process like if you were backing out of a space from reverse to shift out of reverse, you would make the steering wheel straight and then hit the brake. I think we had a slight miscommunication because I was talking about the version of auto shift I remember, which had this two-step process as well as shifting from park to reverse, and I think you were referring to just regular auto shift where shifts into drive or reverse immediately when you get in the car by hitting the brake.
Yes indeed, actually I was referring to the fact that the current "hello world" highland auto-shift already works so and so, both as it cannot read the context when you "start" the car and because the safety belt plus brake sequence is just plain stupid.
I completely disabled it on any profile but mine, until I see it's fixed by upgrades.
When I lend my car I actually tell everyone to use the PRND soft buttons on the top, as to avoid issues with the touchscreen nonsense.
So, I cannot imagine the full auto-shift to be any better, until I use it.

I saw videos about the S/X and didn't know about that feature. Knowing how it behaves from a complete halt, I would be wary of using it: i imagine what would happen if I stopped next to another car, say to enter a side lane, and steered with the intention to accelerate once the way was clear (so as not to hit the curb, for instance). Based on the videos I saw, I would have no guarantees that rear gear wouldn't be activated automatically. Sure there would be an audible alert, but probably also cars behind honking by seeing the white rear light.
 

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Hmm, i was hoping for this holiday update for intel vehicles to catch up some of the features we missed on the last holiday update 2023 like Full Screen Visualizations, New Park Assist etc, but theres only "miscellaneous" new stuff this year. Also, especially here in Europe, Autopark and Summon got much worse in Update 2024.44.3 so this is not a great year for European Intel Vehicles so far :D I like that Arrival State of charge, Maps update and other small things are coming, but as always, we are still missing out on the major features out there :D Fingers still crossed that Intel/Europe doesnt get abandoned before we can get some of those big ones (FSD, Summon/Autopark with less restrictions...)
 

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Just got 2024.44.25.2 and experienced the cross side traffic red screen warning. It's really good but I kinda expected a sound to be played as well.
 
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Just got 2024.44.25.2 and experienced the cross side traffic red screen warning. It's really good but I kinda expected a sound to be played as well.
I'm guessing that will be an option at some point but really- you're looking at the camera views when backing so something visual makes sense.
 
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