Teslas with AP 2.0 to need camera upgrades for FSD

By Nuno Cristovao

Tesla entered into the car industry with their first EV, the original Tesla Roadster. It was more of a proof of concept as Tesla had bigger plans. Tesla's plan to enter the automobile market was to build an expensive, electric sports car that would have high margins and prove to the world what EVs could do.

Tesla planned to minimize their effort by focusing only on the electric components of the car, such as the drivetrain and battery. They would try to leverage other parts from existing auto manufacturers such as Lotus.

However, in the end Tesla ended up creating most of the parts themselves. The final Roadster utilized as little as 7% of the same parts as the Lotus Elise.

Tesla to replace cameras on Tesla AP 2.0 cars
Tesla to replace cameras on Teslas with AP 2.0

Tesla didn't make the same mistake again. When they manufactured the Model S in 2012 they decided to build the car from the ground up themselves. The original Model S didn't have any driver assist features. It's hard to say whether Autopilot wasn't something Tesla had started developing yet, or whether they planned to start small and add to the car in later years.

In September 2014, Tesla introduced their first version of Autopilot. Tesla built the hardware, but left driver assist software up to MobilEye, a company that still focuses on creating driver assistance systems today.

With the introduction of Autopilot 2.0 in 2016, Tesla decided to ditch MobilEye and take their platform in-house. It was a sudden and messy breakup, but in the end it was the right decision for Tesla. Autopilot 2.0 took several years before catching up to the capabilities of AP 1.

Since the introduction of AP 2.0, Tesla has offered a FSD package. Many features were not available out of the gate, but Tesla has slowly developed more features that fall into their FSD package.

Although many features have come out as part of the package such as lane keeping, lane changing, Navigate on Autopilot, Smart Summon, Autopark and more, Tesla is still developing its true self driving system. The problem has been more difficult to solve than anybody in the industry realized. Tesla is now making great progress with their latest FSD Beta releases.

Since AP 2, Tesla has used different hardware such as cameras and processors, but camera placements have remained the same. Tesla wanted to keep camera placement consistent across their product lines. From the beginning Tesla developed these cameras and processors to be easily swappable when better technology comes along.

AP 2 Cameras to be Swapped

Autopilot 2.0 cameras had a filter that made it able to absorb more light but it reduced colors captured. At the time Tesla thought this trade off would be worth it, but they now realize that it's better to bring the cameras in line with the ones used today. Since the cameras were made to be swappable if needed, Tesla can go in and swap them out for the same cameras that are used today.

This is exactly what Tesla is doing. Any Tesla that has FSD and AP 2.0, Tesla will be replacing the camera modules with cameras in 2021 vehicles. The FSD computer will also be replaced with the FSD HW 3.0 computer.

Tesla is planning on introducing a HW 4.0 FSD computer with the introduction of the Cybertruck, but this computer is not meant for FSD 3.0 vehicles. Tesla beleives they can achieve FSD on 3.0 hardware, but 4.0 will give them some extra processing power to increase safety even more.

The same will be true if Tesla realizes that 4K or wide-angle cameras are needed in the future. These cameras are relatively inexpensive and Tesla can swap out the hardware if needed in order to achieve FSD.

Elon confirmed on Twitter that all vehicles with FSD and AP 2.0 will indeed need to have their cameras replaced in order to get FSD on city streets. The amount of vehicles released with AP 2.0 was relatively small as Tesla soon moved to AP 2.5 roughly a year later.

Elon didn't mention any timeframe on when Tesla will be updating these cars but Tesla may be waiting for Tesla service demand to be reduced. The demand for Tesla service is at an all time high as the world starts to get back to some form of normal and there has been pent up demand for service as people are addressing issues from the past year.

When Tesla gets to updating these vehicles with newer cameras and FSD computers, there will be no cost to owners as the replacement will be completely free.

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Tesla Announces API Pricing: Third-Party Service Costs Expected to Rise

By Karan Singh
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After several years of allowing third-party developers and tinkerers free access to the Tesla API, Tesla has finally announced a pricing for their API. Back in 2023, Tesla introduced their new API system, along with them being “temporarily free.” 

Back then, Tesla announced their Discovery tier, which had some limitations but set the groundwork for what was to come. For the first time, developers had official documentation and support, but pricing still was to be determined.

Tesla recently announced pricing for its APIs, which, unfortunately, is much higher than many were expecting. We’ll start by reviewing everything that’s been announced and then explore what could happen for both home users and larger third-party apps.

Fleet API - Usage Based Pricing

Tesla is implementing a pay-per-use pricing model that charges users based on overall usage. Some items, such as Streaming Signals and Commands, are at a lower cost, which helps to incentivize developers to be smart with the data they’re pulling from vehicles. Meanwhile, vehicle data via REST APIs and waking up vehicles is much more expensive.

Here’s the pricing chart:

Data Type

Signals/Requests

Cost

Streaming Signals

150,000

$1

Commands

1,000

$1

Data

500

$1

Wakes

50

$1

Tesla seems like they want developers to focus on what’s happening in the now - rather than being able to track a long driving session or pull charging history from the vehicle. While some things seem cheap and some seem expensive, the overall cost is still fairly high, even for limited personal use.

Additionally, the new Fleet Telemetry doesn’t offer all the data points that are available from the older vehicle data API. That means that you won’t always be able to take advantage of the cheaper “Streaming Signals” data type - but have to fall back to the data package - which is far more expensive.

Many services use REST APIs for vehicle data at about a one-minute interval, which means that each hour of driving or charging could cost about $0.12. Since the average vehicle drives for about an hour a day and charges for an hour or two, that could cost about $0.36 cents per day — per vehicle.

Looking at a month’s worth, that’s about $10/month per vehicle. While the streaming signal API is much cheaper, the total cost would vary depending on the interval and data being collected. Each signal is a piece of data, so if you’re tracking the vehicle’s speed, location, odometer, state and battery level, that’s five signals.

Fleet API - Personal Use

Tesla’s Fleet API provides each Tesla account with a $10 monthly discount - which Tesla says can cover data streaming, 100 commands, and two wakes per day for two vehicles per month. There isn’t a discount per vehicle - it's per account, so if you have more vehicles, it’s less beneficial to you. This should allow home tinkerers to create some automations and track some data without having to pay for access.

However, this is a fairly restrictive amount of signals/requests for personal use - let’s look at the author’s Home Assistant integration for a fairly simple example.

On average, with a Home Assistant tablet at home to start/stop charging, check charge states, precondition vehicles, send Google Map targets, and a few more simple commands for just two vehicles - we make, on average, about 200 requests a week per vehicle. That comes out to 1,600 requests a month and 400 wake-ups a month. 

We’re also requesting data from the Data portion of the API - not the Streaming Signals portion of the API - and that’s about every five minutes while charging - so a wake isn’t needed. With 480 data requests per vehicle per month, we’re already starting to flex the basic $10. Of course, you also want to track your trip data and output that - so add in another 500-ish requests per vehicle based on the amount of driving and interval levels.

We’re looking at $8 in wake-ups, $4 for commands, $8 for data, and at least $1 in Streaming Signals. Just for two vehicles with a fairly basic set of data tracking and usage of commands, we’re already past the $10 mark.

If you’re keeping track, that’s a total of $21 per month—minus the $10 discount Tesla provides per account. At its current usage, our Home Assistant integration would require us to pay $11 for API access a month—as much as Premium Connectivity.

While switching to the streaming API is the answer here, it’ll take time for tools and services to transition to the new way of gathering data. Unfortunately, Tesla isn’t giving developers and home users a lot of time, with pricing taking effect on January 1st, 2025.

Third-Party Developers

Take all those fairly conservative numbers I’ve provided - and scale those up 3-4x. That’s how much data is requested by popular third-party apps. They’re looking at monthly costs well beyond $50 per vehicle, with current data draws. Again, they’ll need to transition to streaming APIs where possible and optimize the data they gather, but Tesla isn’t giving developers a lot of time to do so.

Third-party developers will need to find ways to optimize their workflows, potentially raise prices, and work within and around Tesla’s new strict rules on pulling data from vehicles.

Vehicle Support

Unfortunately, 2020 and older Model S and Model X vehicles don’t support the streaming API, which means that they may not be supported by most third-party services going forward.

We’re hoping Tesla takes some steps to make its API more flexible and affordable, as even simple home use can get quite expensive.

SiriusXM Arrives for Model 3 / Y & Cybertruck - Cost, Free Trial & What’s Included

By Karan Singh
Not a Tesla App

SiriusXM is launching its streaming app for the Model 3, Model Y and the Cyberetruck as part of the 2024 Tesla Holiday Update.

SiriusXM is a satellite and internet radio streaming service that’s been available in the Model S and Model X with the SiriusXM satellite receiver for many years. However, it has never been available in the Model 3, Model Y, or the Cybertruck - all of which do not have the receiver. 

We previously reported on a leaked webpage on SiriusXM’s site showing off the new streaming app, and now it's become official — SiriusXM Streaming is a part of the Holiday Update.

What’s Included?

SiriusXM is one of the most popular satellite streaming services globally - Sirius offers bundled packages with other auto manufacturers (like the Model S and Model X) and standalone receivers. Now, they’re offering a different package for Tesla’s other vehicles.

SiriusXM subscribers will get a Tesla-tailored experience with a fully functional app that has a layout similar to Tesla’s other streaming services. Alongside all of SiriusXM’s regular services offered in their 360L package, customers will also receive Sirius’ full podcast offering.

The Tesla package includes the following services:

  • Ad-free, live-curated music channels across all genres.

  • Custom stations that users can generate from their favorite bands or artists.

  • A massive podcast library - including news, comedy, entertainment - and more.

  • Live sports coverage and analysis from over 20 live sports channels, with industry experts and hosts.

  • News, Politics, Entertainment, Comedy, Celebrity Interviews, and more on live and recorded channels.

  • A personalized for-you page in your Tesla (and in the SiriusXM app) that delivers recommended content based on your listening preferences - and it adapts based on your listening and time of day.

  • A content-discovery system that uses listening preferences to help guide you to new music, channels, and podcasts.

  • Integrated voice search

Live Sports is an awesome use-case for SiriusXM!
Live Sports is an awesome use-case for SiriusXM!
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Cost

SiriusXM for your Tesla will cost $9.99 USD a month for the first two years if you sign up using their special starter offer. Once that two-year period is over, you’ll pay $24.98 USD a month to keep your subscription at the same tier. However, SiriusXM offers multiple plans and multiple tiers that you can switch to to match your preferences after the two years.

Requirements

Like Tesla’s other music services, you’ll need Tesla’s Premium Connectivity to listen to SiriusXM or an active WiFi/Hotspot connection. You can open up the SiriusXM app on your Tesla and then log in or create an account.

If you’re already a SiriusXM user, you can either log in to your existing account and take advantage of your services or create a new one. Go ahead and scan the QR code with your mobile device - it’ll take you to the sign-up page to get your new account started.

When you see this UI, go ahead and press the big blue button!
When you see this UI, go ahead and press the big blue button!
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Free Trial

If you want to take advantage of the three-month free trial, you’ll need to create a new SiriusXM account - even if you already had one previously. A new e-mail address will be required.

There’s no payment required for the free trial, and you’re not required to submit payment information to SiriusXM - so it’s really a risk-free trial. Once the trial ends, you’ll be prompted to use the mobile app or website to enter payment information and select a paid plan to continue listening.

Model S and Model X

The Model S and Model X will retain their SiriusXM capability through their satellite receivers, and it seems that Tesla will continue shipping them with satellite receivers for the time being.

While no part is the best part, Tesla likely has a long-term contract with SiriusXM to continue providing the radios in these two vehicles. Once that’s over, or maybe in a potential future refresh, Tesla may also pivot to using the streaming app.

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