Tesla Talks FSD: FSD V12 Rollout, Hardware 5, Miles Driven, Beta label and FSD Licensing

By Not a Tesla App Staff
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Yesterday, Tesla held its 2023 Q4 earnings where they discussed the company's Q4 earnings and answered investor questions in a Q&A session.

Tesla discussed their next-gen vehicle, 4680 batteries, the Cybertruck and of course full self-driving.

FSD Beta v12 Roll Out

In November, we confirmed that Tesla rolled out FSD v12 to employees, and just last week it went out to some limited customers.

However, during Tesla's Q&A session, Tesla announced that FSD v12 would roll out to all customers in North America in "the weeks to come."

Musk, who answered the question, goes on to say that it will go out to the 400,000 cars who currently have access to FSD Beta in the U.S. and Canada. This number remains largely unchanged since Tesla first expanded FSD to everyone in North America who has bought or subscribed to the FSD.

FSD V12 Is Still In “Beta”

In Tesla's shareholder deck, Tesla confirms that v12 is end-to-end AI and calls the feature "FSD Beta software," confirming that FSD will remain in beta with the initial release of v12.

The shareholder deck states: 

"In Q4, we released our latest FSD Beta software (V12) to select Tesla employees, and more recently, to customers. V12 utilizes end-to-end training, enhancing the driving experience. We also introduced the 2nd generation of the Optimus robot, which uses Tesla-designed actuators and sensors and improved AI capabilities. Both FSD Beta and Optimus are trained with similar technology pillars: real-world data, neural net training and cutting-edge hardware and software."

End of Separate Branches for FSD Beta?

Tesla has historically released new FSD Beta updates to a smaller, select group of testers, with the majority of vehicle owners remaining on the "production" code branch and keeping an older, but more stable version of FSD Beta.

With the holiday update, we saw the merger of FSD Beta updates and production releases, with everyone receiving a single holiday update (2023.44.30) that included FSD Beta 11.4.9. With the release of FSD v12, we expected the latest FSD Beta builds to once again diverge from the latest public releases.

However, Musk's comment on FSD v12's upcoming release to all customers makes it sound like this may not be the case. If Tesla is releasing FSD Beta v12 to all owners in North America in the coming weeks, it could be a part of Tesla update 2024.2, or a subsequent release.

Licensing FSD

Tesla previously talked about licensing FSD to other manufacturers. However, it looks like there hasn't been much progress on that front.

Michael questioned if there had been any progress on licensing FSD to another company.

Musk answers the question by saying there have been tentative conversations but ultimately revealed that there have been no deals yet.

FSD Hardware 5

Musk talked a little about Tesla's FSD hardware, saying Tesla continues to optimize software to get the most out of FSD hardware 3. However, more interestingly he revealed that Tesla is about to complete the design of Tesla hardware 5.

He didn't go into any other details on whether hardware 5 would simply have more compute power or additional hardware, but he said that Tesla is making gigantic improvements from hardware 3 to 4, to 5. Tesla released hardware 4 in March 2023, with additional compute power and higher-resolution cameras.

Musk also talked about a potentially interesting opportunity for Tesla to run "generalized AI tasks" on their vehicles when they're not in use.

Update on FSD Miles Driven

Tesla owners have driven about 725 million miles with FSD Beta
Tesla owners have driven about 725 million miles with FSD Beta
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While Tesla gave several updates on FSD during their Q&A session, they didn't touch on the amount of FSD miles driven during the actual call, but instead provided an update on their shareholder deck like they have in the past. Last quarter the chart revealed that there had been about 525 million miles driven on FSD Beta. 

In this quarter's updated chart, Tesla shows that there have now been about 750 million miles driven since March 2021. That's an increase of about 225 million miles in three months.

Based on Tesla's 400,000 FSD Beta customers, some quick math reveals that each customer uses FSD Beta about 187 miles per month, or just higher than 6 miles per day.

The miles-driven chart trajectory has remained about the same since May 2023, which signifies that there hasn't been a major uptick in FSD Beta sales or its daily usage.

This will change when Tesla rolls FSD Beta out to additional markets, which may happen with China first. It'll also be interesting to see the impact of customer usage when Tesla rolls out FSD Beta v12.

Although Tesla didn't touch on the expansion of FSD Beta during the call, there were more details than usual this time around. Tesla provided updates on their next-gen vehicle, Optimus and the Cybertruck, among others.

Goldman Sachs evaluates Tesla's FSD as being worth $1 - $3 billion in revenue but reveals that this could balloon up to $10 to $75 billion in the next 6 years.

A lot of this may depend on Tesla's FSD success with end-to-end AI.

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New 'Wile E. Coyote' Wall Video Puts Tesla's FSD V13 to the Test

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Last week, Mark Ruber, an engineering YouTuber best known for his glitter bombs, released a video where he tested Tesla's Autopilot against various conditions - including the iconic ACME painted wall.

During this test, many people noted that Mark was using Autopilot rather than FSD, even though his video was titled “Can you Fool a Self-Driving Car?”. The Tesla on Autopilot went up against a vehicle equipped with Luminar’s LIDAR rig, running some sort of basic autonomy or safety software.

New Video Tests FSD

Many people were disappointed with Mark’s video and his testing methods, so several creators got to work to actually test out Tesla’s FSD.

Creator Kyle Paul over on X made a much better follow-up video, using both a HW3 Model Y as well as an AI4 Cybertruck. In a relatively unsurprising turn of events, the Cybertruck was successfully able to detect the wall, slowed down, and came to a stop. The Cybertruck was running FSD 13.2.8.

Kyle’s team did a fantastic job building the wall and testing this in a private area using FSD rather than Autopilot. On top of that - they re-tested the results several times and recorded the entire thing in and out. While Mark’s video was more for entertainment, Kyle really set out to prove what would really happen in this unlikely scenario.

Sadly, the HW3 Model Y was unable to detect the wall, and manual intervention was required in each test. While the Model Y was running FSD 12.5.4.2 rather than an FSD V12.6 build, we don’t expect this to have had a significant impact on the test - this is more of an issue with how computer vision analyzes the environment.

There are several major differences between HW3 and HW4. The first is obviously that the version that runs on AI4 is more advanced, as the hardware is capable of processing a lot more data. However, AI4 also features much higher-resolution cameras than HW3, and Tesla recently added the ability for the video feeds to be processed at full resolution on FSD V13. This could have made the difference, although it’s not entirely clear. Perhaps if HW3 gets a version of FSD V13 in the future, HW3 can be retested to see if it passes the “ACME wall” test.

Watch

Kyle’s entire video is below. It’s only 10 minutes long, so definitely give it a watch. Props to Kyle on the quick and thorough execution.

What Does This Mean for FSD?

We broke down Mark’s test - and examined all the little issues that we discovered after doing some in-depth research - you can read our analysis here. 

Putting aside the issues with Mark’s testing and instead using the new results - it seems that if you were to have to fight against Wile-E-Coyote and his ACME tools with your Tesla, cartoon logic may win if you’re on an HW3 vehicle. If you’re on an AI4 vehicle, you’ll likely come to a safe stop.

Vehicle depth perception is definitely something that Tesla has been hard at work to improve - and some fairly drastic improvements came with FSD V13 that haven’t been entirely translated to FSD V12 just yet. Future versions of HW3 FSD may be able to determine that the wall is there successfully. So Kyle - if you’re reading this - don’t get rid of that wall. We’d love to see more testing in the future.

However, this entire test scenario is so out of left field… there is a good likelihood this same test would fool some human drivers as well. The most important part is that the future of autonomy will not fall for these tricks, so it's very unlikely for someone to weaponize this idea as it’d only possibly work on a small segment of vehicles.

If Wile-E-Coyote is after you, someone else may drive into the wall before your Tesla does.
If Wile-E-Coyote is after you, someone else may drive into the wall before your Tesla does.
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We’re not kidding, this really happened already. This isn’t a realistic scenario outside of someone trying to play an insane prank - but it’s good to know that FSD V13 is capable of dodging this.

Tesla Hosts Public All-Hands Meeting for Q1 2025 - Recap & Replay

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Tesla regularly holds quarterly all-hands meetings for employees, but last night marks the first time Tesla has live-streamed the event for the public.

The meeting primarily focused on Tesla’s employees, recent achievements, and the future of Tesla. While it didn’t reveal much new information, it was interesting to see Elon Musk candidly engaging with his teams, who seem to genuinely enjoy working with him. Still, there were a few noteworthy takeaways.

As with Tesla’s Earnings Calls and other live events, we’ve put together a concise, easy-to-digest recap of everything discussed.

General Points

  • Work-related Injuries declined over time

  • Planning to expand to new markets

  • Cell Manufacturing

    • Continuing to invest in battery supply

    • Cheapest, lowest cost per kWh cell

  • The supercharger network continues to grow

    • Vehicle range and charging speed should match the needs of humans and their required time for breaks

    • V4 Cabinets, 500 kW for Cybertruck, 1.2MW for Semi

  • Tesla is building sustainable abundance

    • Autonomy is key for this to happen

    • Optimus and AI compute

    • This appears to be part of Elon’s new mission for Tesla, but it isn’t in the company’s updated mission statement just yet.

  • Service and Collision Expansion will continue, with a big focus on Service

    • Service is what will sell future vehicles

  • Interesting opportunity to make an electric, supersonic jet

    • Elon is stretched too thin but believes Tesla has all the tech in-house to do it

  • Tesla is in Master Plan Phase III - making all energy on Earth sustainable / abundance for all

Tesla’s Achievements

  • Sold 7 million vehicles globally

    • From just 20 in their first year of production

    • 10 million by next year

    • 3 million vehicles a year

  • Giga Berlin has produced 660,000 drive units

  • Giga Shanghai has built 3m cars

  • Giga New York has produced 160,000 NACS adapters

  • GIga Nevada has built 11,000 battery packs in a year

  • Semi Factory on track for completion

    • Over a million, millions possibly

    • Will be autonomous in the future

  • Stationary Battery Storage is a gigantic plus

    • Shanghai Megafactory is up and running

    • More Megapacks and Powerwalls are being produced than ever

  • Switchover to New Model Y in a short period was an amazing feat of supply chain engineering

Optimus

  • Optimus Production Line in Fremont is up and running

    • The first Optimus came off the production line this year

    • Pilot production this year

    • 22 DoF hand and forearm are now in production

  • Real brain behind Optimus, not on the cloud and not pre-programmed

  • What’s learned from cars (batteries, electronics, design, manufacturing, FSD) transferred to Optimus

  • Biggest product of all time

    • 5,000 units by the end of the year, 10,000 at max

    • 50,000 next year

    • Middle of next year for outside of controlled environments

    • Will be available late 2026 for employees - who will get first dibs on access to Optimus

  • Tesla will expand Optimus production to Giga Texas as well

Cybercab and FSD

  • The Cybercab line will be fully autonomous

    • The aim is 5 seconds between producing cars

    • 50,000-ton gigacasting machine - make five castings at a time

      • Currently 9,000-ton machines

      • Seems to be an interesting engineering challenge

  • Progress towards FSD (Unsupervised)

    • Cars doing useful work with no one in them (end-of-line to outbound lot)

    • Just started at Giga Texas

    • FSD will be 10x safer than humans

  • Autopilot Hardware 4 / AI 4

    • Nothing better on the market than AI4 right now

    • No point in waiting for AI5 or AI6 as Tesla will continue producing new versions. There will be an AI 7, 8, etc.

  • Autonomous Teslas will be everywhere

    • In 5 years, regulatory approval globally

    • Even without Cybercab, there is a gigantic fleet that can be autonomous

Cortex and Dojo

  • Cortex - AI Training

    • One of the most powerful

    • 50,000 active GPUs

    • 100,000 GPUs coming soon

  • Dojo now active in Giga New York and Palo Alto

    • Now actively working, doing about 5%-10% of the training load

Watch

You can watch a replay of the entire event below. The live stream starts shortly after the 28-minute mark.

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