Discuss: Musk Confirms Tesla Will Upgrade HW3 Vehicles for Free - If You Bought FSD

Bizzy

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This is excellent and welcome news for early adapters! However, I too am concerned about not upgrading the cameras because my understanding is that the HW4 cameras play a significantly improved role in vision only.
 

Ejvind

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Would be nice if we that bought a new model3 with HW4 instead of our 2021 with HW3 will get a special it a bit cheaper since we have the hardware
 

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With tech, upgrades are inevitable. Otherwise, you're left behind. However, it's also a bit of a scam. For a phone, if you're not a power user, an old OS has limitations but doesn't necessarily render the phone useless. A car is different. Every driver is a car power user. With a Tesla, clearly every car will reach a point when even a HW upgrade will no longer be sufficient. When purchasing my 2022 M3, I never thought it would hit limits in less than 3 years. I purchased FSD outright, so I am very interested in how this plays out over time.
 
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With tech, upgrades are inevitable. Otherwise, you're left behind. However, it's also a bit of a scam. For a phone, if you're not a power user, an old OS has limitations but doesn't necessarily render the phone useless. A car is different. Every driver is a car power user. With a Tesla, clearly every car will reach a point when even a HW upgrade will no longer be sufficient. When purchasing my 2022 M3, I never thought it would hit limits in less than 3 years. I purchased FSD outright, so I am very interested in how this plays out over time.
Interesting point. Mine is a 2023 M3 purchased new only a year and a half ago. Didn’t purchase FSD, subscription only. But I’m guessing I’ll have to buy in order to get the upgrade for the full experience promised.
 
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With a Tesla, clearly every car will reach a point when even a HW upgrade will no longer be sufficient. When purchasing my 2022 M3, I never thought it would hit limits in less than 3 years. I purchased FSD outright, so I am very interested in how this plays out over time.
That's actually a pretty good point. How old does a car have to be to stop getting updates. In the past, your car stopped getting (manufacturer) updates as soon as you drove it off the lot. Tesla introduced the concept of continuous updates10+ years ago. I think we can all agree that a 2 year old car should still be receiving updates, but should that 2014 Model S get (non-safety related) updates? If not, then you might have a case to sue Tesla for selling you a product that does not live up to their promises. Those 2014 MS owners purchased their vehicle with the promise of FSD, someday. Can Tesla just give up and say, "Nope, it's never going to happen" 10 years later? What would happen if you purchased a home for $100k that didn't have electricity but the builder promised it was coming and you paid extra for it to be installed. I think you would be pretty upset.

On the flip side, can Tesla be expected to upgrade these cars forever? 50 years from now will my MX still get updates? Will these updates just be the government mandated "safety" updates or will I get new features? I really don't know the answer; we are dealing with something completely new here.
 
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On the flip side, can Tesla be expected to upgrade these cars forever? 50 years from now will my MX still get updates? Will these updates just be the government mandated "safety" updates or will I get new features? I really don't know the answer; we are dealing with something completely new here.
They aren't expected to upgrade cars forever, at some point there will be an EOL, supposedly longer than a smartphone's. I'm typing on my Galaxy S22 and previously has a S9, and at best I'm swapping cars every 3/4 years. Am I expecting Samsung to keep the firmware updated for security, etc.? Yes. Am I expecting them to keep upgrading it for what it wasn't promised when I purchased? Definitely not.

Here we're dealing with something entirely different, commercially and legally. Some of you purchased FSD under the promise that in the future it would do something that it cannot do until they replace the hardware, then it makes sense fulfilling that promise. But they also do that selfishly, because they need you to be having the new hardware (remember: when you use something given to you for free, YOU are the product to another customer's benefit).

Some of you purchased advanced and full autopilot and then saw auto park removed for years, without indemnification, when Vision had to get rid of USSs.

On other hardware shenanigans, such as stalks and bumper cameras, well it's also a bit our fault, because no one "forced" us to purchase these beautiful but incomplete cars. To our defense, however, we expected the bumper camera to be there when making the order. And so the stalks. We just noticed that they were missing on the first drive, or reading forums.

If it weren't that all the complaints that were made, while the evil mastermind was stubborn on his stance pointing at the complainer as if they were idiots not capable of understanding him, were eventually listened... to the benefit of future owners.

He should pay such retrofits from his own (deep) pocket, as every decent man admitting he was wrong.